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(But it's allowed unlimited unsupervised play of Factorio.)\n\nDetails:\n\nExamples of things that are okay:\n\na human can choose a favorable map seed\n\nthe AI can play Factorio unsupervised for any length of time\n\nthe AI can access the wiki (or other online resources) during its unsupervised play\n\nExamples of things that aren't okay:\n\nno knowledge of Factorio-in-particular (e.g. recipes, blueprints, \"muscle memory\") can have been programmed into the AI\n\nthe AI must not have had any supervised training on Factorio specifically (e.g. watching videos of people playing)\n\nthe AI's reward function must not encode any deep knowledge about Factorio specifically (rewarding novelty is fine; rewarding it each time it constructs a new kind of item is... kinda borderline, but I lean not-fine?; rewarding it each time it constructs a new kind of item along the critical path is not fine)\n\nEvery January, I'll check whether there's any credible claim  that somebody's done anything-like-this; if so, I'll dig in to see if it meets my \"figuring out\" criteria; if so, I'll resolve this market YES. 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